002/19-09-2007-ECCC-OCIJ ЮŲŠ / No: D427 268. The people who were moved,1050 including Chams,1051 were organised into groups. Some people were separated either when departing,1052 during the journey,1053 or upon arrival.1054 A former local cadre states “we did not have a policy that prohibited the new people from living with their relatives who were the base people”.1055 A number of witnesses declare that the Cham people were dispersed through Khmer villages1056 with only a minority of Cham people allowed in each village.1057 There is evidence that Cham men, women and children were split up and moved to different places.1058 Some Cham witnesses, however, state that they remained with their families throughout the movements of population1059 or that they were subsequently allowed to join their families.1060 Others indicate that whilst the majority of Cham people were moved, a small number were required to remain in their home villages.1061 Three witnesses explain that they were made to live in the open spaces under the houses of Khmer people.1062 Two others state that the elders and religious leaders in their village were arrested and killed before the movement of the population occurred.1063 269. Travel time could take one1064 or several days,1065 with stops on the way. People could rest a few minutes,1066 overnight1067 or a few days to one week,1068 depending on the distance and the journey. People would travel during day and/or at night,1069 the vast majority in very poor physical condition.1070 Many witnesses explain that people were packed into crowded train carriages, onto trucks or boats.1071 People were given little or nothing to eat or drink1072 during the movement of population1073 or upon arrival;1074 although one witness said that CPK soldiers provided bread before people were put on the boat.1075 Medicine also was lacking.1076 People would die before, on the way,1077 or after the journey from starvation1078 because they were too old or too weak,1079 or from disease.1080 Witnesses also state that arrests1081 occurred in the context of these movements of population. 270. Some people disappeared during the movements.1082 One witness explains having been told at a meeting that those who would refuse to leave would be sent for reeducation from where people never returned.1083 271. There is consistent evidence that local leading CPK cadre were in charge of the implementation at both departure and reception stages.1084 At departure, they would receive instructions from the upper echelon1085 although one witness states that the decisions to select villagers to be moved were made in secret by the platoon leaders.1086 People who would ask questions would be threatened.1087 According to some witnesses, local CPK cadre were given lists of names1088 and would call meetings where these names would be read out1089 and would also determine how people would be transported.1090 Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia, National Road 4, Choam Chao, Dangkao Phnom Penh Mailing address: P.O. Box 71, Phnom Penh; Tel: +855(0)23 218914 Fax: +855(0) 23 218941. 71