Annual Report 2012: Spain’s National Preventive Mechanism said notification is obligatory, at least when the punishment entails separation from the group imposed due to a serious or very serious infraction. Greater pedagogical participation of educators in conversations between the adolescents regarding reprehensible behavior The rooms for visits at the «Teresa de Calcuta» center infringe on the right to personal and family privacy 124 157. The minors interviewed and the Director of «Las Palmeras» stated that mi­ nors are forbidden to talk to each other about certain topics and that educators control all their conservations in order to monitor the prohibition. After having detected the same prohibition and control at the center for juvenile offenders «Pi Gros» in Albacete, the NPM expressed its criterion in paragraph 182 of its 2011 Annual Report, considering that said prohibition and constant supervision con­ stitutes arbitrary and undue rigor in the application of rules and an unnecessary interference in the right of minors to communicate freely. The reeducational pur­ pose of centers for juvenile offenders is not achieved by forbidding that they dis­ cuss certain topics, such as extolling criminal pursuits, techniques for commit­ ting offenses, defending drug consumption, etc. In consequence, more than prohibiting this type of conservation, educators should intervene with a negative assessment of this kind of behavior so that the juveniles can understand their arguments. 158. The entrance doors to the visit rooms at «Teresa de Calcuta» center are one way mirrors through which the inside of the room can be seen at all times. Dur­ ing family visits, the technical intervention assistants can observe and listen to what is going on inside without being seen. These security and surveillance con­ ditions in the visit rooms are measures that invade the right of personal and fam­ ily privacy, provided there are not suspicions of a relationship of verbal or physi­ cal abuse between parents and child or vice-versa. Many of the minors interviewed declared that this control caused them great anxiety. «I don’t think it’s right that the security guards are in back of the mirror.» «Not enough time and with an intervention assistant technician watching you, even if the visits are not super­ vised.» «Because I need privacy to express myself to my family, without having supervisors speculate on what I’m talking about.» «Because there’s a supervisor watching you through a tinted window.» «Because they have windows and they invade my privacy.» THE OMBUDSMAN OF SPAIN