2.5.1. Material conditions Rooms for interrogation and conversation with persons deprived of liberty and minors The NPM team determined that in PS Debar there is no special room for conducting a conversation with the detainees, that is, the persons deprived of liberty and the detained persons. The NPM team received information that the conversations with the detainees, that is the persons deprived of liberty and persons detained at the Police Station, are most frequently performed in the offices of the inspectors, due to which an inspection was performed in several offices. During the inspection, no means were noticed, nor other suspicious objects whereby the detainees could be intimidated, that is the persons deprived of liberty and detained persons. In the offices of the inspectors where the conversations with these persons are conducted, there are no special instructions for the rights of the detainees, that is the persons deprived of liberty and the detained persons, but we were informed that before each conversation the persons are instructed about their rights and a document confirming that is included in each of the case files. The Law on Justice for Children stipulates that conversation with a child is conducted in special rooms suitable for conversation with a child of its age, but the NPM team concludes that the Debar Police Station does not have a separate room for conversation with minors. Detention rooms Within the police station there is one room for individual detentions, located on the ground floor of the police station, next to the duty service and two old basement detention rooms (which are not in use). In terms of size, it cannot be said that the room meets the international recommendations and guidelines for minimum standards for accommodation of detained persons, because the room was constructed in such a way that it was physically divided in half with metal bars. Namely, the room is completely larger than 7m², but the area of the room up to the bars is 5.82 m², which does not meet the minimum recommendation for the desired size according to the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture (CPT). The room is equipped with rest facilities (for short-term and night detention), such as: bed, mattress, pillow and blanket for night rest and sleep. There is also a coffee table and chair in the room, which, like the bed, are fixed to the floor. There are no special heaters or heating devices in the premises - during the visit www. ombudsman.mk 45