JUSTICE FOR ALL key was “an agreement and trust” between the staff and the patients. He took the risk (of potential incidents) when allowing patients to go outside and/or to go home over weekends or holidays. “But if I estimated that someone was really dangerous, I sent him to a closed ward – for a certain period of time.” Žagar (2023) also said: “There should be a forensic open part and a forensic closed part and I don't really like what's there (in Maribor) now, because it's mostly a closed part, and they don't have the courage for an open part, like I had. Well, you don't have to praise me, but you have to be self-confident and work with some risk. I worked with risk and I was aware of it.” On the reasons for moving (actually closing) the department in 1998, Dr. Žagar (2023) said: "I have to say that since the department was opened, since it was formed, colleagues started saying ‘this doesn't belong here, these are criminals, they need to go somewhere else, as far away as possible. There are teenagers here, what if someone attacks a teenage girl’ and I don't know what else. But there was never anything." Until 1998, the DFSP was part of a Mental Health Centre, but as explained by Kondža and Kobal (2014), “the ward was a stranger in the dynamic Center for Mental Health. The organisers, therapists and staff were aware of this and constantly looked for opportunities for its independence from other units of the hospital, so that it would not physically and emotionally disturb those who were doing different work. They overtook us and in 1998 the department was abolished, and the remaining patients were placed in the secured ("intensive") department of the psychiatric clinic in Polje in Ljubljana." The “open door” policy was no longer there. When asking Dr. Žagar about the potential for re-establishing such an open forensic and social psychiatry ward, he said: “The main question is who would work there. Who would want to work there and for what money?” As he further explained: “You know, a working team is very important. We were considered to be the most harmonious team. We got along well and respected each other, and we also respected the patients, because if there was any disrespect, I couldn't stand it. Even if you killed someone in a certain situation in your life, that did not stop you from being a person who deserves respect. … If there is no harmony, then fighting and incidents occur. …But back then this wasn't the case. Why wasn't it? Probably also because of our relationship. Attitude is important. Punishment... in 500 years, not even in 500 years... they will be appalled by the punitive policy we (now) have.” The forensic unit as such (be it closed or semiclo sed or open) is a specific place and the following quote best describes it: "It is difficult to draw a line between freedom and non-freedom in the department. Here, two completely different institutions meet: medical and judicial, which have quite different points of view and different approaches to solving the same issues. The court enforces the principle that people living in a social community must follow valid social norms, which also applies to mental patients - and psychiatry enforces the principle that a patient is just a patient, regardless of possible legal measures against him. With mutual tolerance, we can carry out all the therapeutic activities that are necessary in the ward (therapeutic communities, occupational therapy, recreational activities, contacts of the patients with their relatives, free exits, etc.), although we have to agree to the closed-door system and the fact that the approval and consent of the court is required for the permanent discharge of the patient. The partial restriction of freedom therefore applies not only to patients, but also to the therapeutic team. This is a reality that must be considered" (Kondža 1976, 59). As pointed out, the collection “Challenges in forensic psychiatry” was published in 2014, which completely ignored the long-term practice, experience and successes of the DFSP, "which worked for over 30 years at high humane, social and professional level".548 To conclude, Dr. Žagar said: “In our society, everything in retrospect, even what was positive, is forgotten, and we start all over again.” 133